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mraudaciousUser is Offline

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12/31/2009 5:55 AM  
Hey, I just wanna lay down some information so people can see where I'm coming from. I am not a follower of Christ, instead I am an Atheist. I hope you guys are okay with that, because I'm perfectly fine that you guys are Christian, so we can all just get along eh? So, being a self-confident, attractive, funny and charismatic boy, I felt that this book really helped me understand a little more about girls. The surveys were really informative, however I think that instead of just giving you the facts and letting you decide for yourself, this book has an agenda to serve, ie. sex is for marriage, God created you to protect women, and so on. To be cocky, funny, self-confident, are good things. Honestly, I think it is much much better to be a natural than one of those bumbling nervous boys who try to ask a girl out. If that's the level you are at, that is ok. That's where you're at. I used to be at that level too, but I took it upon myself to get that part of my life handled. You must have fun with it, to get the adrenaline from talking with a girl, just tease, poke a little fun at each other, and vibe with each other. It sounds so hard right? Surprisingly, no. If you know what you're doing. Thing is, most guys just don't "get it". They don't understand what attracts a girl, and they don't know how to attract them. Maybe it's time you took some time and try and figure that out. I'm sure there are some dating guru's that can help you out on the web. This book told you what was attractive for girls to see in a guy, but it really didn't help anyone actually become that person, who has that attractive personality. It's hard to address this issue, because so many guys just don't know what they're doing that's wrong! Sound like you? well, it certainly did for me. Right now, I am absolutely in love with this stunning european girl who has the best personality. She is perfect, and instead of acting like I feel special to have her, which I do, I act like she is lucky to be with me, not in a condescending way, but in a fun, teasing way. It's a good place to be. We both enjoy it :D I mean, this logically makes sense. You want what you can't have. So, I'm making her want me. This isn't manipulative. I'll tell you what's manipulative. Taking a girl out to dinner, so that she'll kiss you, or buying her roses to try and get her to hug you. That's manipulative, and girls can smell that from a mile off. All this advice in this book may help you be with a girl who you can be awkward with, or a girl who has an insurmountable amount of insecurities, which you gain very little out of. It is much better to be with a girl that makes you happy, that's so attractive, physically and mentally, then to be with some girl who doesn't have a sense of humor or some girl who has a chip on her shoulder. But you wanna know the real secret? you have to be a gentleman. not a gentle man, a gentleman. A real man, that can naturally attract any girl. So, all you guys out there, who have real trouble with the ladies, just respond back and tell me what you think. Did you think the book really helped? I think it helped me understand girls better, even if I did have a reasonable amount of success with them. I think this alone will not get you far though.
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12/31/2009 6:09 PM  
I love what you say. i do have one question what was one lesson you had to learn throughout this process if any?
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12/31/2009 9:26 PM  
Dude im not sure wat your trying to get at here, like i understand your point and all, but where are you going with this? I mean yea the book didnt give any advice on how to date, but thats not wat it was meant for. If all you got was more understanding about girls, you cant complain, that was the whole point of this book. It wasnt trying to teach you dating techniques

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01/01/2010 10:59 AM  
I know I'm not a guy, but I have to say this. The guy who is outgoing will get my attention initially (because he won't go away...) but the guy who isn't in my face and that I come to love through getting to know him is the one that I actually care about. The guy who has some mystery because he doesn't spill his guts to anyone, the guy who doesn't show off but instead lets his accomplishments speak for themselves has integrity and he is the one that I will make the effort to find out more about.

If you're looking for a quick fling, acting like I don't deserve you might be exciting, but if you want me to take you seriously and if you're looking for anything that will last, I want to be respected and cherished and I want to enjoy spending time with you. I have little respect for guys who treat my like they are awesome and they can do so much better than me but they have settled for me. Why should I put any trust in a guy who is looking for the next better thing?

I do agree that guys who just relax and have fun are way more fun to be around, though, than guys who are worried about everything that they are saying and doing.

"Angel of Mercy, how did you find me? How did you pick me up again? Angel of Mercy, how did you move me, why am I on my feet again?" -One Republic
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01/01/2010 10:59 AM  
I agree with Nate.

You may as well come quiet.
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01/01/2010 11:00 AM  
and Adelynn!

You may as well come quiet.
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01/01/2010 1:36 PM  
Mr. Audacious, yes, I think most of us can put up with your Atheism. And I would also suspect we can get along reasonably well... provided we stick to the basic rules of civility and logic. You know, chew with your mouth closed, don't stick your fork in someone else's eye, that sort of thing. Now, as to what else you had to say:
The surveys were really informative, however I think that instead of just giving you the facts and letting you decide for yourself, this book has an agenda to serve, ie. sex is for marriage, God created you to protect women, and so on.
Indeed it does have an agenda to serve. In fact, the only book you will read without an agenda to serve is the telephone directory, and even that has the agenda of making money by advertisements. Considering the book was written by Christians, it will be written with a Judeo-Christian ethic, and as an Atheist reading a non-atheistic book, it's your job to take what is useful out of the book. I have to do the same with books written by non-Christians, Bobos In Paradise, for instance. (My current reading.)
[...]this logically makes sense. You want what you can't have. So, I'm making her want me. This isn't manipulative. I'll tell you what's manipulative. Taking a girl out to dinner, so that she'll kiss you, or buying her roses to try and get her to hug you. That's manipulative, and girls can smell that from a mile off.
Would you mind defining "Manipulative"?
All this advice in this book may help you be with a girl who you can be awkward with, or a girl who has an insurmountable amount of insecurities, which you gain very little out of. It is much better to be with a girl that makes you happy, that's so attractive, physically and mentally, then to be with some girl who doesn't have a sense of humor or some girl who has a chip on her shoulder. But you wanna know the real secret? you have to be a gentleman. not a gentle man, a gentleman. A real man, that can naturally attract any girl.
And how do you define gentleman? (Yes, I have more to say, but I think until I hear your definitions of manipulative and gentleman, I ought to wait.)

Oh, and since when has being cocky been a virtue?

Adelynn, you had to be a girl to say that.
And yes, Nate, that's also a good point... the book isn't a dating advise book.

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01/01/2010 3:09 PM  
OK seeing as I am a girl.... idk, initially I am attracted to a cocky guy... but only innitially. after a while I am so over him thinking he's "The Man". I don't mind friendly teasing/joking... I tease one of my guy friends (just between myself and him...) about how he scratched the paintjob on a friends car really badly cuz he actually didn't realize you don't use a file to break into a car.... (she'd locked her keys in it and we were trying to help, not to mention hes a car freak. and MAJOR petrol head... so it was funny that he didn't know.) anyway

I agree you have to be gentlemenly... but not just so you can score points so she'l be more willing to do things for you... not saying this is what you're saying, just making a statement.

Like for instance, I don't flount what I have so I can get guys attention...because it's temporary, and after it's over, I feel like I've been used, I feel like dirt... and it's not worth it. I'm a dancer, so I know how to be sexy or w/e and I could in a way "Make" guys like me, but I choose not to, because, for one, the guy should be the innitiator, cuz if I am, then it's like I'm in charge, and I hate being the "manly" one... it sucks. pansy guys suck too... my best friend dated one, it was so akward to watch. but yeah... i actually donno what else to say...

Don't feel like I'm attacking you, cuz I'm not lol. and don't worry, it's good you told us where you come from, that you're an athiest, cuz now we kinda know how to answer you better lol. if that makes sense.

oh and just for the record, I'm a christian, but I do have tonnes of non christian friends... so I do get where you're coming from. :D

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01/01/2010 10:33 PM  
haha this is great. I'm really glad I got a lot or responses, so that I have to thanks you guys on.
Well, lots to discuss.
First, NateyNate, the point I was trying to get at (I admit it wasn't so clear) was that I was disappointed with some aspects of the book, that it doesn't take much work to say "just be yourself" and "be confident".
I meant, this advice is good, if "being yourself" is a self-confident, funny, attractive and fun guy.
Not if you're an awkward, weird, uncomfortable boy. Because what I've found is that when these kind of guys, who can be themselves around their friends, have a good time, mysteriously change when they talk to girls. If anything, they aren't being themselves. It's like a paradox.
The book even says something along the lines of "Even if you're scared, just go and ask her out,because some girls think it's cute!" Notice how there was no survey done on this statement... hmmmm?
This kinda statement sends all sorts of bad messages. Sure, some girls would be flattered, but would she pursue a loving relationship with you? I think the book generally tells people, "be yourself" when obviously, "being yourself" isn't working for you, because you aren't getting the success and relationships that you want and feel you deserve in your life.
Maybe, instead of just confusing teenage boys like me, and telling me that there are some things that I'm not doing (ie not confident, doesn't have a sense of humor) maybe, the book should spend some more time on how to acquire these traits. The valuable insights that I have gained from other parts of this book are very useful to me today, but I feel like that's the case, only because I have a general understanding about girls, myself, and life. I was just asking if other people felt the same way.

For the girls who posted up onto this forum, thanks. This really helps.
I do agree with you Adelynn. The guy who is cocky and funny straight from the beginning will get your attention. That's it. But what if, after going on a date with him, or just hanging out with him, he transitions into a man that you can trust, feel secure with, and just be happy to be around...
ooohhh, mystery is great. I never spill my guts to anyone, in fact, I like to listen. What I do is I kinda tease a girl whenever they ask about me.
"So... what do you want to become when you grow up?"
"Well, I wanna be that guy who scrapes the gum off the seats at the theater."
"No seriously... What do you wanna become?"
"Why do you wanna know so bad? (with a smile)"
"Because... I wanna know!"
"Well then, since you wanna know so bad... I'm not gonna tell you."
"Fine!" (but then she asks you again later)
Trust me, you girls love a little bit of mystery. It's a lot of fun for the both of us :D

I think, in this world, you don't get many of those "perfect men" out there. The nice, self-confident guy, who makes you feel good. That's what I want to become. I have a bit of a way to go now... but that's part of growing up. At least I'm years ahead for my age huh?

Wjr1991, well first, I'll define manipulative in what I consider it means.
I think when you do "nice things" for a girl, to automatically assume you would get something back, is manipulative. You know, such as buying a girl roses, to think... "Oh, you have to go out on a date with me." Girls know that's manipulative and creepy.
What I think is much better, and not manipulative, is if you get those feelings of attraction going inside of the girl you're talking to, and then letting the girl act on her feelings and emotions... I think it would let the girls feel like they have a choice in the matter, right?

Well, my definition of gentleman, is a man who is a leader, decisive, mature, self-confident, funny, caring, even chivalrous. Which is in stark contrast of say, a boy, who is immature (ie. throws fits to get attention), who is indecisive, lacks self-esteem, and doesn't lead (it's much harder to lead than follow. Hint for the guys. LEAD, and the girls will feel much more comfortable following. Don't put the pressure on them, that's just unfair.)

A person doesn't become a man when he turns 18. A person becomes a man once he truly becomes that man, who is a leader, decisive, mature etc.
I don't consider cocky a virtue. I consider being cocky and funny a virtue.
Big difference. It's hard to explain, but it's a big concept coined by David DeAngelo, if you want to learn more about it. Being arrogant makes you look like an *******. Being only funny makes you look like a goof. But when you mix the two... it's magic.

and finally, JoJo.
Yeah, I've heard all this kind of stuff before. It sucks, doesn't it. There are usually 2 types of people. Jerks, or pansies. The gentleman, the "perfect man" is seriously lacking in todays society. Which is kinda good for us guys, because if we take the time to improve ourselves, we can get truly the best girls out there (such as... less insecurities, just plain cool).

But I know, being cocky and funny is only good for the first impression.
It initially attracts the woman. But if you keep doing it, if you keep teasing, you'll just stop and say "That's enough." But what if the guy became that genuinely mature, caring, funny guy after? Wouldn't that be perfect? Tell me what you guys think!
Personally, I think that's better than going up to a girl and saying something like "Oh my god... You are so beautiful. I would be so lucky to have you as my girlfriend. Will you go out to the movies with me?"

Here's a great example of everything that I've been talking about in this long long message.
The girl I'm with now, I told her,
"Hey, I know this great place where we can eat. You'll love it."
"Okay, where is it?"
"Oh, well I'll show you. and you can buy me dinner too"
"What! noooo. I'm not gonna buy you dinner."
"well, if you buy me dinner, you can kiss me on the cheek."
"Noooo! I'm not gonna do that."
"haha it's okay, because I know you wanna buy me dinner"
So... she bought me a hotdog and ice-cream, she totally wanted to do it :D
and then, after talking for a bit, she said
"Since I bought you dinner, you have to give me a kiss on the cheek."
"Whoa whoa, you have to say please. You have to show some manners."
"haha...okay.... please."
so I kissed her on the cheek.
and then I said,
"Since you got to buy me dinner, you have to give me a kiss on the cheek."
"Ohhh.... you have to say please."
This made me smile, so I said please, and she kissed me on the cheek, and then she kissed me on the lips, and we made out. I'm not gonna lie, it was really passionate.
This is what I'm talking about. Being that teasing, funny, mysterious, maybe even cocky guy.
The gentleman.

Tell me what you guys think about my ideas. I'm open to any criticism because that'll help me truly become that "gentleman" I aspire to be.
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01/02/2010 12:00 AM  
The girls make a very excellent point.
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01/02/2010 8:28 AM  
Trust me, I would roll my eyes and not talk to you again if you had that conversation with me about your career, though you started out funny.

You keep saying "what if that cocky guy became that great caring guy..." They don't. I've met guys who I couldn't stand to be around (because they were so full of themselves), not seen them for a couple years, and then when we randomly meet up they have matured and changed in good ways. But guys who I've tried to stay friends with who were cocky don't change. Staying friends or accepting their attention is basically telling them that their behavior is acceptable, so they don't bother to change into someone who cares or bothers or isn't in my face.

Your last conversation sounds like manipulation to me. If a guy told me to buy him dinner, I would think that he is probably broke, which is not cool. It's not wrong to not have money, I'm in college and no one has money, but if someone doesn't want to spend what money they have on me then they should find a way to hang out for free. It seems pretty rude to ask someone to go to dinner with them and then have them pay.

"Angel of Mercy, how did you find me? How did you pick me up again? Angel of Mercy, how did you move me, why am I on my feet again?" -One Republic
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01/02/2010 8:33 AM  
Thanks, Cerno!


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01/02/2010 10:35 AM  
I agree with adelynn, all the conversations you posted would make me want to run in the opposite direction and change my phone #. You keep saying "this is what girls want" "Girls like this" but I'm a girl, and I'd rather be with someone who cherishes me and respects me. Messing with a girl isn't going to make her want to be around you. I consider making a girl buy you dinner manipulative, our deffs. for manipulative are different. When I look for a boyfriend I'm going to look for a guy that's real and has the same values as me. I want a guy that's shy at first but when you gain each others trust can talk about anything. I want a guy to randomly do good things for me without expecting anything in return, and a guy that's not full of himself. Someone who's willing to share as much or more as I am so I don't feel like it's a one sided communication relationship ( I don't consider joking around or teasing communication). Besides, if the book for guys is anything like it is for girls, only what the girls say gets put into the book either in the survey or in the meetings. As for the "even if your scared go ask her out..." There might not be a survey but I still agree with it and I'm a girl. I don't want a cocky guy, they turn me off because I feel that they're hiding behind their cockiness because they don't want to get hurt. I want a sensitive guy, not one that's full of himself.

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01/02/2010 11:50 AM  
Yeah, I totally get where you're coming from.
but the thing is, you don't have a choice.
Do you turn on your attraction switch when you meet a cool, fun guy?
It's not your choice. It's the guy's. It's basically what he does that determines if you're attracted to him or not. So the guy has the power in the interaction, and can direct the way the conversation is going, if only he just knew how...

So when a guy is cocky and funny, gets your attention, but he knows how to transition into that sweet, caring guy, it's perfectly fine. I mean, that's what I do, and that's what my friends know how to do, and that sets us apart from the rest. So, I know I have the upper-hand in any situation.

So you can tell me that no one else does that, but that's not the point.
Because that's what I do, so you can say whoever is with me is super lucky :D
Cocky guys think what they do works... and it does, but only to a certain extent.

That last conversation, by the way, was not manipulation, but fun. She actually enjoyed it, I enjoyed it, and we both had a great time. You just didn't get the subtext. It's supposed to be done like it's funny. Which is the way I went about it.
Dinner cost less than 2 bucks, I live in Asia, things are cheap.
and I didn't ask her out to dinner.
She asked if I wanted to get a bite to eat, so I told her I knew this great place. So we had a little fun with it :D
Asking a girl out on dinner, and getting her to pay? Wow, that does sound really bad haha.
Anyway, she even went and told me that she had "never met a guy like me" and that where she came from, all the guys were jerks, but I was different. and then she gave me one of her beautiful smiles. so be jealous :D
Besides, it's not what you say that really matters, it's how you say it, and how your body language goes with it.
But it seems like you feel like people have let you down, and you can't trust guys.
That's not a good place to be. Trust me, I've been there. When you don't think others are good enough, they are gonna keep letting you down, no matter what. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I actually do all the unpredictable nice things, I make her smile, I listen to her, I don't talk about myself all the time.
I am the guy that gets her swept up in the moment, and takes her for an adventure.
It's enough for me to just be around her. Anyway, those conversations are what happened at the beginning of it all.
The cocky/funny guy that got your attention. Am I still like that? a bit. but I do all the sweet things for her, make her feel secure, listen to her, make her comfortable, because, yeah, I love her.
and we are so comfortable around each other, it's unbelievable.

but you know, those shy guys that go up to you, that act like they're in a relationship before the relationship, you know, "You're so beautiful, I would be so lucky to have you as my girlfriend..."
that doesn't work.
and besides. Everything I said about girls liking this or that... it's kinda true.
I'm saying things like,
"girls like a little bit of mystery."
"girls like a little bit of unpredictability, to keep her excited and wanting more"
"girls like self-confidence"
"girls like a guy with value" because honestly, you wouldn't like a guy if he had no self-respect, told you everything about himself, constantly poked fun at himself, and acted like he didn't deserve you. How attractive is that?

I don't mess with girls, but I know I can get anyone I want, but who I want is who I'm with right now. I let her know that I think she's special, and she knows that I'm special too.
I'm just trying to tell the guys out there, the very confused guys who read this book, that there are other ways to get a girl. And those ways are fun, amazing, and can take your breath away.
A guy should be able to choose who he wants to be with. He should never have to "settle" for a girl, he should be able to be with that girl that he is truly attracted to.
Maybe it's scary that I'm saying that guys can have all the power in a relationship.
I expect a lot of girls to disagree with it. But that's just my opinion, and I feel that it's true, because I've seen so much evidence to support my claim.
haha one of my favorite quotes is
"With great power, comes great responsibility." - Spiderman
I keep that in mind, I don't let the power get to my head.
I just wanna be in a relationship where everyone's happy, which is exactly what I have right now. Its liberating :D
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01/02/2010 3:13 PM  
I would like to second what Smileybookworm said! Instead of teasing I like guys who talk to me seroiusly. Not too seriously, mind you, but interested in talking about common interests, not back and forth bantering.
I'm not sure why you keep saying "Girls like this", girls want that". No offence, but how do you know? Did you get a lecture from a girlfriend? And remember, all girls are different- no one likes exactly the same things in a guy.

"girls like a little bit of mystery."


Yes, Occasionally

"girls like a little bit of unpredictability, to keep her excited and wanting more"


Personally, no.

"girls like self-confidence"


OK, this is an exception. It's not cool if a guy doesn't like who he is.

"girls like a guy with value"


Yes, but value can mean different things: Like if he values his video games or computer more than more important things...um, no! But if he values his family, friends, beliefs. ...Yeah. That's great!

A girl should be so lost in God that a guy has to go in Him in order to find her
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01/03/2010 4:58 AM  
Alright i get where your coming from on the telling people to be confident and how that is easier said then done. But the only thing is, how do you teach someone to be confident. you cant. You can only tell them to put themselves in situations in which they can build there confidence. One of the best way for guys is to take that risk and ask that girl. Thats why the book doesnt teach on how to gain confidencce, because it cant.

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wake up and praise the Lord
rise up you sleepy soul
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01/03/2010 5:18 AM  
Alright now im not sure if its just me or not, but the way youve been talking makes you sound like one of the most arrogant and cocky people around. It also sounds like your just trying to live to perfect yourself (which girls probably wont always find attractive) and get with girls. Thats not wat you should be living for cause itll only get you so far.

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wake up and praise the Lord
rise up you sleepy soul
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01/03/2010 7:27 AM  
Yeah, you can teach confidence. There are so many books you can get that teach this.
If you go to your local bookstore, I'm sure you can get a few books.
I recommend "Instant Confidence" by Paul McKenna and "MindGym: Relationships"

The thing is, a lot of teenage males don't think they're ok. I didn't think I was ok.
They think that everyone else is of more value than them. It's not healthy, it's miserable. You have to learn to love yourself, and love others as well. That's why I wish this book taught those confused teenage boys. Instead it only told them they had problems, that they weren't even aware about.

I guess I kinda do live to perfect myself.
Have you ever watched that movie "The Pursuit of Happyness"?
I just feel like, if I was absolutely perfect, loved myself, and loved others, I could achieve true happiness. Seems like we're always pursuing it, right?
Anyway, I don't do it to get girls, I do it for myself, because I feel I owe it to myself to achieve success and happiness in life. Everything I do in life has something to do with achieving true happiness.
But yes, girls are a big part of my life, as they do help bring love and true happiness to your life.
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01/03/2010 10:56 AM  
She smiled at you, dang I'm jealous =P

Come on. Obviously you think that what you're doing is great. It works for you. Whatever it is that you're looking for in your life with a girl, you're getting that. What you're not getting is a girl like the girls you're going to find on this forum. You just don't know what you're missing because you're so wrapped up in what you're getting.

SmileyBookWorm is right, we girls do know what we want, and you don't seem to fit the bill. You just know what gets you what you want. You're conclusion vaguely had some of the things that we value, but when you say things like "It's not your choice, it's the guys choice" you have no idea!

For the record, I can and do decide who to like. Not only who I'm willing to go out with, but who I'm attracted to romantically. Guys might decide who to pursue, but so do girls. And we get to decide who to let pursue us. We aren't as driven by emotions or hormones as our culture would lead you to believe.

Girls have that power, too, you know; to "make" a guy attracted to them. In high school, I made bets with my friends on how quickly I could get a guy to ask me out. Not because I wanted a boyfriend or I actually liked the guy, but I was insecure and I wanted affirmation that I was beautiful and that anyone wanted to be around me. And it was unbearably easy to get them to fall for me. Luckily, I figured out that guys are people too and they deserve to be treated with respect as people, instead of turned into a game.

I second Liz. Like she said, I definitely don't want a guy who is unpredictable in his personality.

You say I don't trust guys... hmm I wonder why, when you say things like "we're actually the ones in control" when I can get a guy to do anything for me (Like you said yourself, all we have to do is smile), or "I'm not manipulative" but then you tease this girl into buying you dinner and making out with you.

Nate, I applaud you!

You think you can get any girl you want? I dare you to ask a girl who actually stands for what she believes in- and has something to stand for- out. It won't happen. I don't mean the girl who stands out front of the school with a sign for world peace or something- which is commendable in it's own way- but the quiet girl who is confident in who she is and believes in treating everyone with respect. I know many of them, and like SmileyBookWorm said, they would run in the opposite direction.

Do you really think that you can be perfect? I've met so many people who are trying, but they really can't be completely perfect ourselves- we're only human. Humans are always messed up about something. God is the only one that is perfect, and we can only be even halfway there when we are following Him.

"Angel of Mercy, how did you find me? How did you pick me up again? Angel of Mercy, how did you move me, why am I on my feet again?" -One Republic
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01/03/2010 4:34 PM  
but the thing is, you don't have a choice.
Do you turn on your attraction switch when you meet a cool, fun guy?
It's not your choice. It's the guy's.

(I actually don't "turn on my attraction switch" the only way to build the good solid relationship that I want is on truth, and truth is being yourself. If I have to change who I am to attract a guy he's not worth my time anyway."

So, I know I have the upper-hand in any situation.

(I would want a partner, not a dictator in my relationships.)

Trust me, I've been there. When you don't think others are good enough, they are gonna keep letting you down, no matter what. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

(Everyone lets you down at least once in a while, even yourself. Jesus is the only one who doesn't. I'm not trying to convert you, just voicing my opinion as you have yours.)


A guy should be able to choose who he wants to be with. He should never have to "settle" for a girl, he should be able to be with that girl that he is truly attracted to.

(What about us? We shouldn't have to settle for a guy either, we should also be able to not be with a guy even if he is truly attracted to us.)

because I've seen so much evidence to support my claim.
haha one of my favorite quotes is
"With great power, comes great responsibility." - Spiderman

(Sorry, but I don't find a spiderman quote "so much evidence" it's just not.)




Jesus has a thing for losers.
-Losers by Me in Motion
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