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**Jes :-)
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| 03/14/2010 2:40 PM |
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i'm teaching sunday school and we have sunday program practices during the week. and usually we have men taking the leadership as to what to do. in my group there's 2 guys and another girl besides me. now the one guy who i no well, he came up to me last week and asked me to take the leadership that evening and then he wanted to listen...he's so much older than i am, right away i said no!cuz i don't like taking leadership in front of men like that. and he tried to convince me to do it, but i just refused it. so the other guy did it.
then during the week i was txn with this guy that asked me, and i asked him if he had really wanted me to do it or if he just wanted to see what i would say? then he said he didn't think there was anything wrong with me taking the leadership like that(now i really look up to him and his wife((the friendship between his wife and me is unlike any other)) and i no he would not ask me to do something he didn't think was wrong! so i trust him with that! but i told him i just didn't have self esteem to do it in front of him. then he said he didn't look at othere teachers mistakes!
i guess i am very consciencious about girls taking leadership, and it pretty nuch blew me away that he would ask me! so i told him i would see if i could find some self esteem somewhere this week and if i could find it then might di it this coming week! i thought well maybe i need to differ my opinion...maybe i'm to set in my idea. i told him to that i didn't want them to think i wanted to take advantage of them by not doing my share. and he said he wasn't worried about that.
any input...any advice...or opinions?? |
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Adelynn
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| 03/14/2010 10:54 PM |
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the verse usually quoted, that men shouldn't be subordinate to women, has a lot of flaws, among which one is that the whole message of the entire Bible is that we are to be responsible to God, not humankind, and to not dominate over each other. In the society where women are treated as property, I can see so many women suddenly being freed by this message of Jesus (Micah 6.4, Judges 5.31, 2 Kings 22.14, Romans 16.1-2, Acts 18.4-5, 24-26, Acts 21.9, among a few others) and of being equal that they took advantage of it and "domineered" over men, taking their sudden freedom too far.
Another verse forbidding women to speak in church is, I believe, often simply taken out of context. In the society it was written for, women were uneducated and segregated into the balcony in the temples while the men had the first floor. The services were held in Latin, but the women had probably memorized the Bible stories, not read them for themselves and had no idea what was being said. If they didn't understand something, waiting to ask their husbands later was better for the service to flow than to keep yelling down to them =]
Another thing- when do "boys" become "men?" 1 Tim.2.12 says that Paul doesn't allow women to teach, but then in 1 Tim. 1.5 he praises Lois and Eunice for teaching Timothy! |
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"Angel of Mercy, how did you find me? How did you pick me up again? Angel of Mercy, how did you move me, why am I on my feet again?" -One Republic |
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Bea
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| 05/18/2010 6:00 AM |
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| I think women shouldn't preach, but they should teach other women. I love listening to wise women. I think you shouldn't in church in front of men, but that's just my opinion. My dad preaches at our church and he once told me one thing, that made me think about it from another angle. You know, how women always fight about this part? Well, he said that men have the job as a leader, because there will always be a lot of people to critisize you much and men don't care much about it....women think about the words people said to them all night long and can't sleep. I know that's why I don't do the whole leader part. I speak to younger girls and children, but not to men. |
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JoJo
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| 05/19/2010 1:36 AM |
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Girls being the leader isn't a bad thing... I an assistant youth leader at church, and I help out in sunday school, where 2 ladys take sunday school.
also involved in mainly music which is sorta like sunday school for preschoolers who aren't christians etc. and it's run by a whole team of ladys.
the man is the leader of the house, but that doesn't mean woman are forbidden to ever preach.
you know, if women didn't preach in some areas, they'd never have church or hear about God, simply because the men dont wanna do it and aren't as strong in their faith as the women. (some areas, not all)
as to preaching to someone who's older... most pastors are middle aged, right... then what about all the 80yr olds that go to church?? should they not listen.
Im just saying this stuff to get you all thinking... but why dont you think girls should preach?
Sometimes only a woman preacher can get through to someone.
Quite a few of the mothers that bring their kids to mainly music. become christians, and their husbands still arent saved, and they have to be the spiritual influence in the house. and a few of the husbands have become christians because of their wives. |
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Turn up the music
Turn it up loud
Take a few chances
Let it all out
'Cause you won't regret it
Lookin' back from where you have been
'Cause it's not who you knew
And it's not what you did
It's how you live
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God Bless!
Mwah XOXO
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JoJo
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| 05/19/2010 1:40 AM |
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also, yeah, some girls actually know ALOT more than some guys about the bible. and then it's kinda silly having the knowledge-less, preaching to the knowledge-ful. haha.
but i guess that your friend was just wanting you to speak, because he was interested to see what you've learned. because everyone can learn something from anyone, that they might not have picked up on when they looked at it.
for instance, I always thought that Eve ate the fruit because she wasn't there when God told Adam not to eat it, and wasn't as convinced as Adam about how forbidden it was. and that was as far as it went.
But someone preached and said, the serpant probably targeted her because woman is a man's weakness (in other words, they'd do anything for a girl they loved) and she could use her womanly influence to get him to eat it.
e=now I dont really know why the serpant asked eve and not adam, but I mean there's lots of reasons why he could have. |
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Turn up the music
Turn it up loud
Take a few chances
Let it all out
'Cause you won't regret it
Lookin' back from where you have been
'Cause it's not who you knew
And it's not what you did
It's how you live
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God Bless!
Mwah XOXO
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Adelynn
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| 05/19/2010 8:11 AM |
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| Also, Paul gave instructions for women in 1 Corinthians 11.5, where he says, "But a woman dishonors her head if she prays or prophesies without covering her head..." and also in Acts 2.17 it says, "...Your sons and daughters will prophesy..." which is originally from Joel 2.28 |
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"Angel of Mercy, how did you find me? How did you pick me up again? Angel of Mercy, how did you move me, why am I on my feet again?" -One Republic |
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Miana
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| 05/28/2010 2:04 AM |
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There have been times where I was the only one to lead worship. I didn't want to, I felt uncomfortable leading without a man up there. I think it's viewing the man as a leader/head of household, so naturally he would lead at church. Is it okay for women to be worship leaders? I think so, but I would be more comfortable at a church where it was a husband and wife team. Also think about this, men are not as emotional as women. Would I be comfortable leading a Bible study group that was all men? No. Teenagers? Maybe, but only if I was well prepared and it was more group led and I was the one just to start things.
Being a pastor(especially in a small church) that pastor has to preach, counsel, hospital rounds, EVERYTHING! Counseling is tough, believe me! Many women get too emotional and have a hard time not picking sides. I'm not saying all women are like that, but the ones I've encoutered are. Men tend to be more objectional and can listen to both sides without getting emotionally invovled in things. I think that's why God placed men as the head of households and leadership positions. |
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Adelynn
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| 05/28/2010 12:38 PM |
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| I would have a hard time counseling a male, period, just because things really are different for men and women. I also have a huge issue with men thinking that they have all the answers and women taking it blindly, because men don't face the same things from the same perspective as women do. I wouldn't care much what a male leader of a women's Bible Study, unless it was about things from his perspective, i.e. how men tend to see things. |
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"Angel of Mercy, how did you find me? How did you pick me up again? Angel of Mercy, how did you move me, why am I on my feet again?" -One Republic |
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Miana
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| 06/07/2010 2:10 AM |
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Exactly! Yes, women AND men need to keep the person on leadership accountable. If I hear a pastore saying something that sounds a little off, I will go question it. Women need to learn that it's OKAY to question men, we're not a doormat and we're not supposed to be legalistically submissive.
I'm excited to start the FYWO and FYMO with a close group of friends. Us girls are reading FYWO and going to ask questions and we're going to try and get the guys to read FYMO. |
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